Friday, September 16, 2005

Struggling with productivity and not caring at the same time; I keep telling myself "to work" but it just isn't happening right now. Ah well, it's been quite the week, so far, it has, and I have a (shitty temporary co-op grocery store) job interview tomorrow, so I'm chilling with a beer and the iPod and a book, soon, I hope.

Von is jarring and beautiful by turns; it takes some faith to get into but tracks 3-7 and 9, I think, are quite heavenly and beautiful--and easy to see where the sound for √Āgaetis byrjun and beyond came from. Yay for Nate for having bought this CD in Iceland when he was there.

Also quite lovely is "For Whom The Bell Tolls," which I got as a birthday present, and realized I hadn't read a lot of Hemingway (same with Nabokov and Pnin, though I had read Lolita) It's quite the book, dated euphemisms for cursing and the odd use of "thee/thy/thou" when dealing with translation from the Spanish language. But I would notice that, and I'm liking it so far.

That's the evening, in a nutshell. Happy weekend.

26 comments:

Better Red than (brain)Dead said...

Excellent taste. Sigur Ros suck, and you know it, but "For Whom The Bell Tolls" is undoubtedly the best (and only worth reading) novel Hemingway wrote. The best of late 1930's Popular Front anti-fascist literature, and one of the few times Hemingway decides to forget his bohemian days and write a book about something relevant.

Agnes said...

Dude, Sigur Ros, does NOT suck... I could make come up with a number of arguments, but to be quite frank, that is not why I came here to comment.


Good luck with the interview, be it a sucky job

The Earthtopus said...

Yeah, it's reminiscent of all that journalistic stuff Orwell was writing at the time, particularly Homage to Catalonia, of course, but if it's my first Hemingway novel, it might as well be the best one.

And no, Sigur Ros don't suck. In any event, music is a highly subjective thing, regardless of anyone's cheeky proclamations, and man have I had some good times listening to them, last weekend's show being not the least of these.

But I'll just get back to my Hemingway.

Better Red than (brain)Dead said...

Hemingway would sure not have listened to Sigur Ros.

The Earthtopus said...

So?

Agnes said...

*ouch* that must have hurt

*LOL I'm liking this, keep up the good work, guys!

Nate said...

so u realized that I don't check this often enough. But to the person who said that sigur ros sucks all I have to say is...

"Trace the call! Trace the call!"

The Earthtopus said...

Hey, good to see you off of livejournal!

Better Red than (brain)Dead said...

dude sigur ros=for wankers.

The Earthtopus said...

oh, now you have something against wanking too?

Agnes said...

Be gone, ye of little faith!

Seriously, accept the fact that not everyone likes electronic quasi-hip-hop gangster muzak...

Better Red than (brain)Dead said...

Know why Sigur Ros don't have real lyrics? Cause they suck. Good bands have lyrics. Sigur Ros are the new masturbatory music of the bourgeoisie--having moved on from the mindlessness of jazz, the bourgeoisie has embraced the mindlessness of whatever it is Sigur Ros makes that they call "music."

The Earthtopus said...

Either that, or mostly, they sing in Icelandic.

This from Mr. "do all texts have to be in English," when we were talking about translating books.

Agnes said...

ow NOW I get it, we have an illiterate in our midst!

that explains everything. Really, sympathize, it's not his fault he's ignorant towards other continents.

Wait, that would mean I do not exist in his view...


whatever

P.S. You look like your mother, Andrew

and that is ment in like a compeltely neutral way, not implying anything but establishing the similarity.

I need some sleep

The Earthtopus said...

Heh. I don't think Nate's illiterate. He just enjoys being an asshole.

But who doesn't, really?

Better Red than (brain)Dead said...

When Sigur ros's lyrics are translated they STILL DON'T MAKE SENSE, so take that you "illiterate" Agnes! You must be one of those "ooh ooh look at me I'm all cosmopolitan and bourgeois and I know how Sigur Ros awakens the passion in my deepest soul blah blah blah." When Sigur Ros decide to write a song about something relevant--global poverty, the extraction of surplus value, the spread of capital--then i'll care. Of course, no one will be able to understand said song, it will be 8 minutes long, very invisible, and will not have a title.

Plus illiterate denotes an inabilty to parse meaning from language in its written form. Really, I think this applies to whomever in Sigur Ros writes the moaning that they think of as theur "lyrics."

Why do Sigur Ros lyrics make no sense? Because the band is from Iceland, for one thing, hardly at the frontline of the struggle between labor and capital, between the first and the third world, and between the corporation and the subject and hegemony and contingency. In fact, Iceland is precisely relevant to pretty much nothing except Iceland. Plus, Sigur Ros lack the ability and artistic talent to meld a political vision with a musical one. Hell even Bjork is more with it than these wankers.

Better Red than (brain)Dead said...

And they DONT sing in icelandic, they sing in HOPELANDIC, which is like, not a real language.

Better Red than (brain)Dead said...

AND Iceland is not a continent. Thats ridiculous. It's like if I said my hangnail was irrelevant and you assumed i thought that i didnt exist.

Better Red than (brain)Dead said...

And do you know why, finally, Agnes, you like Sigur Ros? Because you can enjoy them without having your own class status challenged. Or having anything challenged, because Sigur Ros are pleasant background "music."

Agnes said...

I wasn't referring to Nate, you dumb... By the way, did you ask Nate yet?

So, darling, whatever your name is. What have you ever done to make he world a better place, since you brought up the topic of worldpoverty, glabalization of capital and all that. Just out of mere curiosity, since I am not arging using an 'appeal to the stick' method, as opposed to you. By the way, how many languages do you speak? Considering the fact that I think it is quite unfair for a native to argue with someone who is not a native - I'd like to equal the balance if you like.

Furthermore, should you know anything of the continent called Europe - which I am starting to doubt by now - you'd know Iceland is pretty much out there when it comes to politics and here and there unfortunately is a very present member of the international community, especially when it comes to international law (specially that of the sea).

And don't get me started on class-struggle, cause if I can name just one thing am KNOW you are not familliar with, than it must be the Dutch university system and in particular the must disputed position of my particular college, which has EVERYTHING to do with class-struggle, status and most of all a lack of understanding between groups.

Therefore, I suggest you start helping out some people in New Orleans or something, rather than to suppose all sorts of things about someone you most like don't even know the nationality of, let alone that you know where my country acually is situated on the European continent.

I bid thee a good day, Sir.

The Earthtopus said...

No, he's a Nate too.

Dutch Agnes, other Nate; other Nate, Dutch Agnes.

Play nice now.

Better Red than (brain)Dead said...

Yes I am also named Nate. I can speak French very well. I find distressing your rehearsal, Agnes, of the old conservative argument that seeks to silence intellectual thought by appealing to experience and the distance between theory and praxis: your snarky, Republicanish comment about New Orleans implies that thought, because not material, is extemporaneous to any crisis. Consider that during the Civil War, Frederick Douglass did not "do" much of anything: was he then not entitled to think or write about the war? When US intellectuals criticized Nazi Germany, were they overstepping their bounds because they had never been to Germany? Your argument is as tenuous and as invisible as the point behind Sigur Ros's music.

Iceland may be "out there politically," but that's not the point. Vermont is "out there politically" but it's hardly relevant to anything. I am not interested in Sigur Ros's political ideological allegiances, but whether they address important, crucial political conflicts and crises. And they don't. The fact that they live in the bourgeois-liberal state of Iceland is irrelevant EXCEPT as an indication as to why they don't write music about poverty, war, etc.

I'm happy that you're in a Dutch university, I guess, but that has nothing to do with Sigur Ros. All universities, to varying degrees, are torn by and structured on class struggle. This truth inheres in the word university itself--the university makes a claim to a universality so total as to be neutral, yet French structuralist and poststructuralist work has consistently revealed the university as anything but neutral, as a site of the reproduction of ruling-class power and the reiteration of bourgeois social norms as well as the training and discipline of society. Now, how does Sigur Ros have anything to do with Dutch universities? Have they ever played at one? Cause, gee, that'd be a hell of a show.

Oh, and Andrew looks a lot more like his dad than his mom.

The Earthtopus said...

Also, dude. Jaguar shark. Or whatever it is.

If it exists.

Dutch Agnes - if you like - said...

Fine, well I never have seen his dad nor a picture of him, so I wouldn't know

and get me your e-mail if you wanna get to the bottom of this, cause I will resist in abusing Andrew's space for this kind of classtruggle related discussions.

P.S. How ironic that the only other language you speak should be one which is at the heart of all things bourgeois, however especially all things related to repression of the middle and lower class by the upper snobish aristocracy...

Nate bey said...

Wow I didn't realize that it was "other Nate" on the other end of the line here complaining about Sigur Ros.

1) They're latest CD is in pure Icelandic (a wonderfully real lanugage).

2) Since when does music have to be about politics. If music were only about politics that Captain Wanker, himself, (aka Bono) should be invited to the UN so that he can realize his masturbatory dream of making poverty "history"...oh wait.

Better Red than (brain)Dead said...

In response to both of you:
Agnes: French is hardly the language of everything "Quintessentially bourgeois." French is the language spoken at the barricades in 1793, 1848, 1870, and 1968.

And Sigur Ros aren't under any MANDATE to be political. As you point out, Nate, much music isn't. But I feel perfectly justified cataloguing, as one of my reasons for finding them superfluous, their lack of engagement with the real social matters of our day. Or any matters, really. Or anything.